tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post973998900572455558..comments2023-11-03T11:37:13.579-04:00Comments on Something Old, Nothing New: My "Bonnie and Clyde" ProblemJaime J. Weinmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15128500411119962998noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-26727403359508196782009-04-25T21:53:00.000-04:002009-04-25T21:53:00.000-04:00What's your opinion on Penn and Beatty's c...What's your opinion on Penn and Beatty's collaboration on MICKEY ONE? I think that's a very modern looking film despite being 2 years older than B&C.buzznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-70758201240060177152009-04-15T18:29:00.000-04:002009-04-15T18:29:00.000-04:00"Maybe Bonnie and Clyde is like the fox's..."Maybe Bonnie and Clyde is like the fox's terrific act in Curtain Razor... it's only good once. I thought B&C was pretty overwhelming the first time I saw it, but I haven't had the desire to watch it again."<br /><br />Exactly how I feel. When I first saw the film it was like...DAMN !You couldn't predict a single thing the movie did and unfortunately when you make a movie so compulsive and random, it loses it's appeal after multiple viewings. <br /><br />"You can just look at one frame of film from that mire of filth decade and it's clear."<br /><br />Pretty much but for some reason the first two Indiana Jones films seem to almost cut off an 80's look entirely. I say that minus the special effects of course.Ricardo Cantoralhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00518171797365794688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-92107913606173333702009-04-14T20:02:00.000-04:002009-04-14T20:02:00.000-04:00Warren Beatty, tired of hearing how he played hims...Warren Beatty, tired of hearing how he played himself in "Dick Tracy", really acted in "Bugsy", giving even Shatner some competition.Whithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308880186307909986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-14356019441392696742009-04-14T08:02:00.000-04:002009-04-14T08:02:00.000-04:00Excellent post. I admire your analysis of the dat...Excellent post. I admire your analysis of the dated look of the movies of that period, and Crowthers' and Kael's particular views on the use of violence in those films, and your own revised take on "Bonnie and Clyde." Really great job.Jacqueline T. Lynchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11047941886908178350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-24463141887579804292009-04-13T23:06:00.000-04:002009-04-13T23:06:00.000-04:00The period from about 1965 to the huge success of ...The period from about 1965 to the huge success of the Godfather movies and "The Exorcist" really was a period where Hollywood was desperately groping for an identity, especially with the expansion of the sales of color television sets and the full-color network TV lineups (not as big a shock as the 1947-48 mainstreaming of TV itself, but still a major threshold point which boosted both TV sales and TV viewing at the expense of theatrical revenues). They were hooked on big-budget, wide-screen musicals for a time, but when that brief revival ran its course, they didn't have anything to take its place, and the old guard really didn't know how to attract the first wave or baby boomers that were now reaching their early 20s.<br /><br />So it's no big surprise that 1967 was also the de facto end of the original Hays Code, as the studios decided that the technical changes they had attempted in the early 50s (3-D, CinemaScope, etc.) to stem the growth of television hadn't worked, so movies had to offer viewers content they couldn't get from over-the-air TV (a strategy HBO and Showtime follow today with their series programming). Violence, in the case of "Bonnie & Clyde", while in the bigger cities with less restrictive morals police, European films with sex scenes like "I Am Curious (Yellow)" became major successes.<br /><br />Once you get to 1972-73 and onward, that's really the beginning of the big-release, big-hyped summer blockbusters -- timed to come out when the network TV shows were in re-runs -- that Hollywood finally figures out a plan that at least gives them 4-5 months of prominence. There's still a lot of dreck being turned out to the theaters in the 1970s, but at least now you no longer had the feeling that the studios had no idea where they were going.J Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15175515543694122729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-55717138591877502992009-04-13T21:34:00.000-04:002009-04-13T21:34:00.000-04:00Why do you hate freedom? :-)
Maybe Bonnie and Cly...Why do you hate freedom? :-)<br /><br />Maybe <I>Bonnie and Clyde</I> is like the fox's terrific act in <I>Curtain Razor</I>... it's only good once. I thought B&C was pretty overwhelming the first time I saw it, but I haven't had the desire to watch it again.<br /><br />Also, while I agree the look of late 60s through 70s movies can be dated, I give you one era that trumps it: the 80s. You can just look at one frame of film from that mire of filth decade and it's clear.Thadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04443425643665474645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-88760263348542693512009-04-13T20:19:00.000-04:002009-04-13T20:19:00.000-04:00Anthony: I know Young Frankenstein isn't dated in ...Anthony: I know <I>Young Frankenstein</I> isn't dated in terms of style or references, but (and this is a very personal reaction) most of the jokes just don't wear very well with me.<br /><br />Mr.: The story of Crowther getting forced out after he couldn't stop bashing <I>Bonnie and Clyde</I> has been in a few places; I first read it in <I>Inside Oscar.</I>Jaime J. Weinmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15128500411119962998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-60053739204574104202009-04-13T20:16:00.000-04:002009-04-13T20:16:00.000-04:00This is probably irrelevant, but I've never heard ...This is probably irrelevant, but I've never heard the Bosley Crowther story. Was it in "Pictures in a Revolution"?Guy Nicoluccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10038097326310753461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-28482631353994119052009-04-13T19:57:00.000-04:002009-04-13T19:57:00.000-04:00Excellent, though-provoking post. I think the libr...Excellent, though-provoking post. I think the library where I work has Bonnie & Clyde, and I kind of want to go check it out right now.<br /><br />As for 70s movies being dated, I'll give you Blazing Saddles, but Young Frankenstein more dated than Airplane? Really?! Young Frankenstein, to me, feels almost completely timeless. Airplane is full of gags about Saturday Night Fever and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's career.Anthony Strandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15170406011301084809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-52782934836302549652009-04-13T19:32:00.000-04:002009-04-13T19:32:00.000-04:00Mr. Weinman, thanks for the clarification.Mr. Weinman, thanks for the clarification.dino martin petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05160265680867057779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-70889198502274651322009-04-13T19:29:00.000-04:002009-04-13T19:29:00.000-04:00I'm also a fan of Rio Bravo and several other movi...I'm also a fan of <I>Rio Bravo</I> and several other movies with Dean Martin. But I'm talking very specifically about Dean Martin vehicles from the mid-to-late-'60s, like the Matt Helm movies or <I>Who's Been Sleeping In My Bed?</I> or <I>How To Save a Marriage and Ruin Your Life</I>, with their studio-bound, over-lit look, bad process shots, obvious stunt doubles, etc. You could substitute some other big star of the '60s for "Dean Martin" and the sentence would be the same.Jaime J. Weinmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15128500411119962998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-32001836328196722392009-04-13T19:25:00.000-04:002009-04-13T19:25:00.000-04:00Mr. Weinman, wondering if you would be willing to ...Mr. Weinman, wondering if you would be willing to expand on what you man by this comment...<br />"There's something disorienting about a movie that wants to be modern and cutting-edge but looks like a Dean Martin movie, and it's not the good kind of disorienting that the movie's going for, it's the bad kind of disorienting, where the technique takes you out of the film."<br />Knowing that you are a huge fan of "Artists And Models"...just wondering what is wrong with looking like a Dean Martin movie?dino martin petershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05160265680867057779noreply@blogger.com