tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post6477829903469706188..comments2023-11-03T11:37:13.579-04:00Comments on Something Old, Nothing New: The Golden Days of 1988Jaime J. Weinmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15128500411119962998noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-60238830749270600712008-05-02T22:07:00.000-04:002008-05-02T22:07:00.000-04:00Oh wait, I forgot...what does this have to do with...Oh wait, I forgot...what does this have to do with A Pup Named Scooby-Doo?<BR/><BR/>Basically, I don't think this kind of rubbery animation could have been achieved if the show was animated entirely in the U.S. - as I said before, from what little I can infer, TV cartoon budgets would have had to have been ten times higher.<BR/><BR/>Notice, actually, that *EVERY* animated TV series up until the mid-80s utilized very limited animation...even the good ones...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-60721289598137541312008-05-02T22:03:00.000-04:002008-05-02T22:03:00.000-04:00One thing I've noticed...for all the grousing abou...One thing I've noticed...for all the grousing about outsourcing to overseas studios, has anybody ever noticed that in the last half of the 1980s, the highest-quality TV cartoons became a lot higher quality?<BR/><BR/>Now, I don't know jack-squat about the animation business, but I will say that, comparing Hanna-Barbera's entire 70s/early 80s output to the best TMS-animated episodes of DuckTales, Rescue Rangers, Tiny Toons, etc., it's like night and day.<BR/><BR/>For all the nostalgia about the days when cartoons were produced entirely in-house, I will have to point out that, to my knowledge, no animated series had anything approaching "full animation" until after 1985. <BR/><BR/>Compare TMS episodes of Tiny Toons to "Produced entirely in the USA" Filmation stuff. Yes, I know Filmation had low budgets, but it was apparently still too expensive for them to produce entirely stateside, because they went under.<BR/><BR/>Like it or not, real character animation seems to coincide with the move to overseas studios. I guarantee you that the kind of animation you see in TMS episodes of Tiny Toons could not be produced entirely stateside on a TV budget.<BR/><BR/>Sure, there is a lot of overseas crap, but the highest-quality TV animation of the late 80s and early 90s was done in Japan (admittedly, of a higher caliber than average overseas work).<BR/><BR/>I hate to say it, but to my eye, the combination of low budgets and high (union) wages basically meant that entirely American shows tried to get away with having as few frames as possible...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-84366873088875452112008-05-01T00:49:00.000-04:002008-05-01T00:49:00.000-04:00Jaime Enjoyed the post...I have got to get a c...Jaime<BR/> Enjoyed the post...I have got to get a copy of this dvd!<BR/> I wanted that "doo wop" early 60's girl group rock and roll thing for the bg music, and John Debney totally ran with it. Our music track cutter Joe Sandusky thought I ws nuts when I asked for the doo wop stuff to be played under dialog, but I rteally wanted it everywhere.<BR/> And Alfred Gimenos, Scott Jeralds, Bob Onorato and the rest of the crew spent a week or two working on nothing but wild take concepts, which we built into a useable file and would dip into it throughout the season. <BR/> Joe Barbera called me in and told me to make sure to accompany the wild takes with equally if not wilder sound effect. He was right!<BR/> all the best<BR/> Tom RueggerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-36975702741517799332008-04-30T12:47:00.000-04:002008-04-30T12:47:00.000-04:00Every one of those shows were cash register animat...<I>Every one of those shows were cash register animation.</I><BR/><BR/>So are the shows you like, if you want to get technical about it.<BR/><BR/>Besides, isn't it better for people making "cash register animation" to actually make it good, instead of making it bad?Jaime J. Weinmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15128500411119962998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-89752402242716477532008-04-30T12:42:00.000-04:002008-04-30T12:42:00.000-04:00Every one of those shows were cash register animat...Every one of those shows were cash register animation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-56770085408247709572008-04-30T10:33:00.000-04:002008-04-30T10:33:00.000-04:00Actually, the so-so "Muppet Babies" came first, fo...Actually, the so-so "Muppet Babies" came first, followed by the excruciating "Flintstone Kids" a couple of years later.<BR/><BR/>The 'oh God, my eyes!' "Tom and Jerry Kids" came two years after "Pup" (which still airs, doesn't it?).lonestarr357https://www.blogger.com/profile/16738966825188441820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-81341119043259711362008-04-30T05:55:00.000-04:002008-04-30T05:55:00.000-04:00The downside to this show was how it triggered a s...The downside to this show was how it triggered a slew of 'Kids' versions of established adult characters: Flintstones Kids, Tom & Jerry Kids, Muppet Babies, etc.Larry Levinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02796712092304761340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-74557132226866689592008-04-29T22:50:00.000-04:002008-04-29T22:50:00.000-04:00Oh, and also, the rubbery animation was astounding...Oh, and also, the rubbery animation was astounding for an 80s show and the characters were all interesting...Velma, paranoid Fred and Daphne were all basically completely new characters, and Red Herring was a hilarious meme.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956070.post-49073185819993983252008-04-29T22:48:00.000-04:002008-04-29T22:48:00.000-04:00Ah, my favourite HB show of the 80s... I'm surpris...Ah, my favourite HB show of the 80s... I'm surprised by Tom Minton's comments on John K's blog that this show was the worst thing that has ever happened...to me this show was infinitely better than the original Scooby Doo AND Tiny Toons or Animaniacs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com